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three in one, yet three separate

Our music pastor's favorite quote is, "You don't really know God." I think that is true, because while God Himself is unchanging, it seems that the more you know him, the more He is different. However, one thing I do not have a problem with is the trinity. I think it must be because I was raised Lutheran (Catholic-light, sans the saints, the prayers to Mary and the guilt) and went through catechism, where through memorizing different creeds (like Apostles and Nicene) we just accepted the concept of the trinity.

I am in a theology class at church and this was last night's topic. I completely understand how it may be a difficult concept, but I would have to be in that group of people who just don't focus on the all the facets, but take it at face value on faith. God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He is three in one and yet three separate. Each is God, but because they are three in one, we believe in one god. OK, I guess I don't usually try to explain it out like that. It IS hard to explain. Check out CARM's explanation of the trinity, because they really bring it home with back-up verses and detailed explanations. I would love to hear what any of you have to say about it.


At 7/14/2005 11:41 AM, Blogger Jen Left a note...

Hrmm...this makes me think of the book I'm reading, "The History of God." I'm not sure you'd like it, per se, except for the way in which the author explains how she came to write the book. She was a nun for many years, but never really felt divinely inspired (talk to me about my former-Carmelite mother-in-law when we get the chance...funny story). When she began looking at the monotheistic religions from an academic perspective, the big thinkers in each basically said the same thing: God doesn't EXACTLY exist, but God is the most important reality in the world. Each person's understanding of God is based on his or her own experience and expectations, but the nature of God doesn't lend itself to objective explanations. Islam is actually the barest example, ruling that man must not speak the name of God because no human language can encompass God's true nature. To try is an insult.

Anyway, the author wished someone had mentioned that while she was a nun. She was so busy praying for a cookie-cutter revelation that she didn't think to try to know God through her own faith.

As for the trinity...baby, I'm a Catholic. We're ALL about the trinity. I tend to lean more toward the Jesus leg of the triangle, though. I find that the New Testament version of God just makes more sense to me than the Old Testament version. "Be nice to people" vs. "I shall smite you." That's just me.

What's that word my husband calls me? Oh yes, blasphemous. I prefer iconoclastic.

At 7/14/2005 3:22 PM, Blogger Ricky Left a note...

wish i could have stayed for the whole class, but i am in an indie film and had to be back on the set by 9pm in san jose.

anyway, i talked to mike spain about his quote. he said frances mis-quoted him. he said he never said that. sorry to rain on your parade. :(

i've never had a problem with the trinity either, i don't understand why it's a bone of contention with people.

At 7/14/2005 3:36 PM, Blogger Marla Bean Left a note...

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At 7/14/2005 3:40 PM, Blogger Marla Bean Left a note...

RETRACTION: I don't know whose quote it is, but I have to admit that "you don't really know God" is a great quote, no matter who said it or claimed it to be a favorite. (And yes, my parade is quite soggy, now!) But I think the quote makes sense. As Pete G. said last night, we can't fully understand Him, because we aren't holy and we are finite beings who cannot fully understand infinite things. Therefore we do not really know Him.

Yeah, we know why you and your wife REALLY left. Sure, an Indie film. Whatevs. It was the snacks, wasn't it?

At 7/14/2005 5:50 PM, Blogger Nettie Left a note...

I guess I jsut always took the Trinity for granted, although I'm sure I was, I don't remember being specifically taught about it. But that was really good, especially for those unfamiliar with the doctrine. I thought the analogy to states of matter made a lot of sense, too.

At 7/16/2005 2:22 AM, Blogger Franc-ess Left a note...

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At 7/16/2005 2:23 AM, Blogger Franc-ess Left a note...

matt and cheryl were talking about this tonight at the concert and matt had an interesting analogy. he said that it's like a cherry pie. you can cut the pie into 3 pieces and leave it in the pan and the crust will have 3 distinct pieces, but the filling is still all intermingled. food-ha!-for thought. :-)

p.s. mike is wrong. i wrote down his quote and read it back to him and he agreed at the time.

At 7/16/2005 11:49 AM, Blogger Jackson Left a note...

Marla - your original post says "Each is a God, but because they are three in one..." Each is not A God, but rather, each is God. See, I can nitpick all the way from Kona! Wish I could have been present for the class. Oh well, next week I'll be back. Or rather, week after.


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